Clinton Ind chose a vastly different route in practicing law compared to his wife: he is a solo attorney turned in-house counsel, while she has worked at a large, international firm. However, how they found their paths, he explains, is the same: self-awareness and asking yourself ‘what’s your greatest attribute as a lawyer.’

Key moments:

  • Large vs. mid vs. solo – finding your niche and support network (3:25)
  • Moving from solo to in-house counsel (11:42)
  • Fair billing; it’s not about billable hour versus fixed fee (17:57)
  • What Clinton Ind wants to see changed in law (32:53)


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“It's interesting because the law is the same. The scale is obviously different, but the law is always the same…. [My wife and I] are self-aware enough to know our personalities; her personality works for a firm like that, [a large firm], and mine never did.”

“You’re always learning something new [while practicing law], and that can be intimidating…You can overcome the intimidation of trying new things by creating a network of attorneys that you can speak with and associate with.”

“I've taken issue with opposing counsel who probably do things that don't necessarily need to be done…. One of my biggest pitches to prospective clients was always ‘I'm going to keep your business objectives in mind,' and we don't necessarily need to write this 30-page brief to get the point across.”

Richard Gurak


Clinton recently has recently transitioned his practice from a commercial litigator with his own law firm, to in-house counsel with a growing distribution business at Quantum Polymers.  His new role is oriented around managing risk as the company expands while assisting with the business strategy and growth.

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